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Simple Installer

   0.7  

KDE System Tool

Score 77%
Simple Installer
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Link:  http://
Downloads:  6072
Submitted:  May 25 2004
Updated:  Aug 7 2004

Description:

Simple Installer started really simple, then got more features. To some it looks imposing, but it is still easy to use. It's both more and less geeky all at once.Note that the archive now includes both the old version and a new one that requires Kommander 1.0 RC1. If you have the latest Kommander installed the new version is a very slick install, but that's still a work in progress too. See changelog for what's new.

Look for a new release very shortly that enables internationalization!

This is a Kommander application. Kommander ships with Quanta Plus. This should work with versions 3.1 or greater and all features should be enabled with 3.2 or greater. If there are problems let me know. As a Kommander dialog you can also edit this file for your purposes. Kommander uses kmdr-executor to run and kmdr-editor to visually edit files.

This dialog was designed to make installing from source point and click easy.As I've noted, you may want to alter it for your purposes.




Changelog:

Version 0.7
This version has some nice enhancements. There is a statusbar now. Also the settings on start up and configuration are much faster with new Kommander features. There is also a new source tree display. Double click a file to view it.
Version 0.6
Only inserts unique items into history now, adds comment line in history for the program and information in settings about mode when changed. Thee was also a complete layout clean up so things have more space and the dialog resizes correctly now. There is also a new install wizard for installing Simple Installer and it is packaged in a self extracting archive.
Note: this install changes to a more consistent default naming which will mean settings are lost. Edit $KDEHOME/share/config/kommanderrc and look for /share/apps/kmdr/si_installer/main.kmdr] change it to /share/apps/kmdr-si_installer/main.kmdr]
Version 0.5
All new stuff! New project set up with installer and with multiple dialogs. New Logging install that doesn't make you watch the console, saves everything in case you need it and pops up a dialog when it's done. New error dialog for failures. New configuration dialog and settings. New settings reporting buttons. Directly save directory. (I should have skipped a few version numbers) ;-)
Version 0.4
Fixed an embarassing bug, configure options were not being added to the command. Now it also saves your configure string and retrieves it when you go to that directory. This will help you build consistently. Note that the enable debug check box does not yet remember it's setting. There are also new message boxes for errors and some code clean up. I have also gone to separate windows for configure and make because some systems were ending after the configure.
Version 0.3a
Added a button to save the current path to history without making the program. Also I fixed a bug in the history function so it works correctly now. Finally, Ral Moratalla sent me a Spanish translation so I applied the fixes to it and included it in the tarball. It's still quite small.
Version 0.3
When a source directory is chosen a listbox now shows the README and INSTALL files if they are present. A button allows you to view them. There is also a new tab where you can gather system information. This is useful in case you encounter a problem and need to report this back to a developer.
Version 0.2
installer2.kmdr now has a history tab that stores all the directories you run a make in. Selecting it sets that directory and takes you to the build tab. This requires Kommander 1.0 Alpha 2. If you are running an old Kommander use installer.kmdr instead.




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 Good but...

 
 by finrold on: Jun 11 2004
 
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there is a very good program called kconfigure that does something similar.
http://kconfigure.sourceforge.net/
I installed the rpm on my FC2 machine and works fine.


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 Re: Good but...

 
 by sequitur on: Jun 11 2004
 
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As they say, so what? I used to use KConfigure, but as the link you pointed out highlights, back with KDE 2x. It was a very nice piece of software. However you still have to compile and build it.

Conversely this is XML files with embedded scripts. You don't need an RPM, or all the hideous binary compatibility issues that go with it. If you wanted to tweak Kconfigure you needed to grab the sources, load it up in Kdevelop and write C++. With this Kommander file, it is the sources and you can directly load it in the editor, point and click or toss in some bash or PHP.

As I've said many times, this was just something I put together for my wife to compile with. I never expected it would be one of the 60 highest rated apps here, but since it is I'll keep improving it. What's cool too is with KDE 4 this will automatically update. This is really more a showcase for Kommander for me. I hope a lot more apps like this start showing up.


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 Re: Re: Good but...

 
 by finrold on: Jun 12 2004
 
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Well I compile Kconfigure using this program... xD
This is a good example of a program make with Kommander, a nice tool. Keep the good work :)


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 komander rulez

 
 by Superstoned on: Jun 11 2004
 
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I like the fact it is an kommander prog. and it just works nice, too.


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 checkinstall

 
 by janet on: Jun 15 2004
 
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Can it use checkinstall to build rpms?


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 Re: checkinstall

 
 by sequitur on: Jun 17 2004
 
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This is really getting to be a fun question. I should just say "NO!!!" because I've already answered it here and in emails... (sigh) but I'll answer it for the umpteenth time.

  1. I don't use RPMs. I run Gentoo because I personally think RPMs are a blight on Linux. Kommander offers no compile applications to also make them not need RPMs.

  2. Kommander applications are not pre compiled so you can edit them rather easily using the visual Kommander Editor. There are probably still under 100 lines of bash scripting and Kommander specials in Simple installer so anyone with the slightest motivation and the ability to point, click and read could assemble a Kommander dialog for checkinstall in a matter of minutes.


I encourage people to build their own Kommander apps and even to fork this one. It's GPL. Have at it! In fact I would prefer someone forked this then to be asked again if I will incorporate something I don't use and can't test that they could do in an evening if even if they never touched the editor before.

Join our mailing list and I will even help you. We will release docs hopefully with Alpha 5.


Eric Laffoon
kdewebdev project lead
Kommander mailing list - http://mail.kdewebdev.org/mailman/listinfo/kommander

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 Re: Re: checkinstall

 
 by janet on: Jun 17 2004
 
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I am sorry for asking you that silly question about checkinstall, but I did let the browser search the comments and the description of this app and there were nothing about checkinstall. And for I don't know kommander it seemed like a good idea to ask. Please forgive me that I use a distribution that uses rpm (and really do like it).
With humble regards
Janet

BTW: Now I at least know that it seems to be easy to make this app use checkinstall. Thanks for the answer.


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 Simple?

 
 by Brandybuck on: Jun 17 2004
 
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This is a "simple" installer? Take a look at the screenshot again. While this does illustrate a point that many people forget, namely that installation is not a simple process, the dialog itself is horribly complex.


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 Re: Simple?

 
 by sequitur on: Jun 17 2004
 
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Well it started out simple. ;-) It has grown.

However I would point out a few things. Using automake means that it is really much less complex than it could be, but the very concept is intimidating for people. When a friend contacted me to thank me because his wife could now install programs I felt the same way now that my wife can install. I would say that actually running it you need very little of it but more is there and you come to appreciate what it can do for you. It is difficult to understand operation from a picture. From the moment you open it you get tooltips and interaction that guides you, without being condescending. The settings give you control and so far the dialog is highly rated... but pondering what you said, as well as feature improvements in Kommander, has given me some ideas to make it even more user friendly for version 0.7.

Note that at least this program is incredibly easy to install as it does not need to be compiled and has a self extracting install program.


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 Re: Simple?

 
 by sarahb523 on: Jun 18 2004
 
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You should offer 2 modes. The expert mode (the existing one) and a simple mode. The simple mode could be like kconfigure. If qwizard is fully supported by kommander, this would be easy to make.

BTW nice installer :-D


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 Interface

 
 by redmac5 on: Aug 7 2004
 
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You seriously need to clean up the interface. It is very confusing.
Try reading up on the KDE useability guidelines.


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 Re: Interface

 
 by sequitur on: Aug 7 2004
 
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For some reason the new screenshots have not been updated. The interface has had a clean up, but this is also a dialog based application and as such it has different constraints. On the positive a number of developer's wives are using this to install software, including mine, so I don't think it's that confusing. Did you try using it? Did you read the help?

I need to read the usability guidelines? It's interesting that I lead several projects that rank in the top 10 ratings wise here and this project has a higher user satisfaction rating than Kword and Kspread. I've worked with the usability people too. I hope you aren't suggesting I read up on menus on dialogs? ;-)

In case you missed it this is a user editable application. You just need the Kommander editor and you can visually change it to your liking. Why don't you redesign it and send it to me and if it's better I'll use it.


Eric Laffoon
kdewebdev (Quanta/Kommander) project lead

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 Error-Kmder Executor

 
 by logixoul on: Apr 12 2006
 
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Error in widget FileSelector1:

Not enough arguments for 'readSetting' (1 instead of 2).

Correct syntax is: readSetting(QString key, QString default)

[Continue][Continue & Ignore Next Errors][Stop]


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