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The Way that KDM should look

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The Way that KDM should look
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The Way that KDM should look
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Downloads:  29227
Submitted:  Nov 24 2003
Updated:  Mar 21 2004

Description:

============WARNING!============
It's only idea-don't ask me how to get kdm look like this from screenshots. For today it's impossible to make kdm look like this.
You want this kdm look? Vote for it on:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78155
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Hi guys! I decided too show to all world "the way that KDM should look". I think that KDM is today the worst login manager from all Desktop Environments. Look at GDM-beautiful!!, Windows login manager-very nice. And KDM? Sorry, but so great desktop environment as KDE should have better login manager. So KDE developers-please write better login manager. I'm not a programmist yet, but I can help with design and in projecting config file if someone will decide to do it.
Ps.1.There's nothing to download-only screenshots
Ps.2. Sorry for my bad english




Changelog:

-added to wishlist on bugs.kde.org
(http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78155)



License:
No license because it's only idea.

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 I agree

 
 by jesusfish on: Nov 24 2003
 
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I've been thinking/saying this for a while now. Something that is a cross between KDM/GDM would ge great, and I think this is an excellent example. KDE is grown so much ivisually, but it seems that KDM is still lagging behind.


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 gg3po

 
 by gg3po on: Nov 24 2003
 
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I would have to agree. One of the things I love about KDE is how hyper-customizable it is, but when it comes to the kdm screen, I can change little else but the wallpaper and button style.


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 Too Windows-ish

 
 by pihlopase on: Nov 24 2003
 
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Sorry, but this is just too Windows Like. The crystal icons, the background. We need to start moving away from this Windows look and feel. I am no graphics artist so i can only ask :)


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 Re: Too Windows-ish

 
 by boskicinek on: Nov 24 2003
 
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Hey! All you guys who tell that crystal icons all to Windows like: WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?? They are more MacOSX like if you have to compare it with other icons themes. But they are not even similar too Windows icons! They look like Win icons because they are colorful?? Or what? Maybe trash icon is similar to win trash icon??Or folder icon??Home icon? I really don't understand why you say this! Forward,backwar etc. icons are similar to win icons!! And I'm not even sure about that. So stop grumble. What do you want? 16 colors icon pack?? Maybe we won't use graphical environment, because X Windows are similar to Windows??


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 Re: Re: Too Windows-ish

 
 by Brandybuck on: Nov 24 2003
 
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There's no forward or backward buttons in the screenshots. So obviously that's not the objection. But those people icons are very reminiscent of some XP icons.

Of course, XP doesn't use these kinds of icons in its login manager, but butterflies, chesspieces, kittens, etc. Personally, I've always preferred the traditional KDE silhouette root/user icons.


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 Re: Re: Re: Too Windows-ish

 
 by ruel24 on: Nov 25 2003
 
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Those people icons are old Crystal icons. They're not related to Windows at all. Where are you guys coming up with this stuff? This login screen looks nothing like Windows except for the one background of the rolling hills. I think the artist did a very good job.

As far as Windows look and feel, you should know that KDE can be made to feel many different ways, from the Windows "look and feel", traditional Unix, and Macintosh as well. Most people come over from Windows and the look and feel they choose is the Windows one because of familiarity. This is why most distros setup KDE this way by default. However, you have the freedom to change it to look and behave anyway you want. This is what Linux is all about.


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 Re: Re: Too Windows-ish

 
 by hrholme on: Nov 25 2003
 
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It IS to Windowish because of the same color theme. It's green and blue, and in the very much same shades.

I love to look at great graphics, but I want my computer to scream "This is not Windows, never call me Windows!!!"


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 Re: Too Windows-ish

 
 by python on: Nov 25 2003
 
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yes. windows has GOOD design. its intuitive, clean, colorful but not ugly. does unix-systems need to suck in art just to avoid being too "windowish?".

in general unixes are mac-alike. mac os x IS unix. what about that?

the point in those screenshots really wasnt to tell "THIS is how kdm should look", but the login manager as whole, like in gdm, you can change theme! point was kdm is not that themeable and easy to add other themes than that square box with different style and background


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 Should?

 
 by Brandybuck on: Nov 24 2003
 
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The way KDM *should* look? I'll have to disagree. "Should" is too subjective. If you look at KDM objectively, it works just fine. It's very usable. It's essentially a dialog on top of a wallpaper. Why shouldn't this dialog act like all the other dialogs in KDE? To me, at least, throwing eyecandy on KDM as as pointless as throwing eyecandy on KDevelop. That's because I don't see KDM as a screen-wide thingy, but as a simple application like all other applications.

But that said, there is a way to please everyone, but it will take a bit of work. If you look at KSplash, it now has several different styles in 3.2, from the traditional dialog, to a Microsoft-like full-screen splash. A similar method could be used for KDM. That way one could use the more sedate traditional centered dialog for businesses, or fancier full screen "webpage" like interfaces for those who demand maximum eyecandy.

Then use the same style for both KDM and KSplash, so that there is a seemless transition from login to desktop. I do this right now by using the same wallpaper on my desktop as I do in KDM.


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 Re: Should?

 
 by boskicinek on: Nov 24 2003
 
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Okay, okay. Maybe I shouldn't use word "should". But I didn't have other idea to name it. And remember-it's only a proposition. The point is to change kdm to better. And why it should look like other KDE apps? It's login manager-it should be at first usable, but right after that it should be eye candy. Why? Because it encourage to login and use KDE. Imagine: You have four computers with login managers from:

1. Windows
2.GDM
3.MacOSX (I didn't see it, but I'm sure it's beautifull to)
4.KDM

You are completly "green" about computers. Which computer will you chose?


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 Re: Should?

 
 by bretzeltux on: Nov 26 2003
 
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It depends on the individual taste isn't it ?

Personnaly I would prefer to have the most eyecandy ever for my login screen.
Thus, I vote for the exterm
hyper-theamable KDM :-)because this is the first thing I see in the morning after my wife, my daughter, my coffee, my...

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Why shouldn't this dialog act like all the other dialogs in KDE? To me, at least, throwing eyecandy on KDM as as pointless as throwing eyecandy on KDevelop.
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Excuse me but take a look at the KDevelop 3.0 b1+ (current cvs) :-)

chear :-)
Bretzel


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 To much like windows

 
 by guppetto on: Nov 24 2003
 
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Are you kidding? When are the majority of linux users going to to realize that anything that reminds you of windows isn't necessarily a bad thing? The example presented here is beautiful, and if it reminds you of windows, then thats a good thing, because some new user to Linux will have a clear understanding of how to get into the system. I love linux, and KDE, but M$ is one of the very best at inovating, and making a product that are easy to use. The Linux usability argument is at the top of every anti-Linux supporters crying list.There is a reason that more and more elements found in OSX and XP are finding their way to linux: People like these items and want to use them because they provide a better experience. The smart warrior learns from his opponent and emulates that which furthers his cause. It's time to stop yelling we hate M$ and start saying give us more ideas that we can implement better.


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 Re: To much like win

 
 by jsmarshall85 on: Nov 25 2003
 
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well said


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 Re: To much like win

 
 by jscott on: Nov 25 2003
 
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I agree. Windows XP very attractive and easy to learn and use. However, it's M$'s business tactics that I hate, such as Product Activation and Single PC Licensing rather than Single User Licensing. Not to mention their rediculous prices considering how many copies they sell. But I like Linux and the GPL concept. I think it still has a way to go until it's as user-friendly as Windows. So there's nothing wrong with emulating XP and making Linux even better with the things M$ has done right. I should add that I don't think this KDM screenshot looks that much like Windows, anyway. It's much nicer!


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 fantastic

 
 by standsolid on: Nov 24 2003
 
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First of all, This is a great idea. I hadn't seen GDM (for gnome 2.0) until I started searching through fedora reviews. This has the potential to look VERY professional, Not necessarily eye-candy (like the screenshot url below)

Secondly, this is not at all like Windows XP. The only way this login is similar is the background image is very similar to "bliss" -- there are tons of these imitating backgrounds, y'all need to calm down.

Thirdly -- It might not be too difficult to modify KDM to display something like the screenshot below instead of a normal QDialog. The hard part would be making it compatible with GDM themes (drool).

This is definitely something the KDE devs should look into, I'll see if my coding skills are good enough to try and make something like the fedora login but don't expect any miracles

see the gdm screenshot here:
http://www.linuxelectrons.com/images/fc1_review/gdm-shot.png


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 Re: fantastic

 
 by jsmarshall85 on: Nov 25 2003
 
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that isnt any better than the old gdm from red hat 9. for me that is just too plain. i really dont think eye candy is all that bad anyway, with the type of video cards out now and with prices of them falling i dont think performance would take a hit. i think people will want something that looks inviting, something easy to use. if all you have to do is click your name and type your password (which you can do now with kdm) like winXP then so be it. some time back one of the car makers decided to put a radio in his car and look what happened! everyone did it! why? cause it worked and everyone wanted it. if everyone wants eye candy that looks like the way XP does it, then lets roll with it. thanks to M$ for making a really cool logon screen.


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