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The Way that KDM should look

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KDE Improvement

Score 68%
The Way that KDM should look
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The Way that KDM should look
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Link:  http://
Downloads:  29227
Submitted:  Nov 24 2003
Updated:  Mar 21 2004

Description:

============WARNING!============
It's only idea-don't ask me how to get kdm look like this from screenshots. For today it's impossible to make kdm look like this.
You want this kdm look? Vote for it on:
http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78155
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Hi guys! I decided too show to all world "the way that KDM should look". I think that KDM is today the worst login manager from all Desktop Environments. Look at GDM-beautiful!!, Windows login manager-very nice. And KDM? Sorry, but so great desktop environment as KDE should have better login manager. So KDE developers-please write better login manager. I'm not a programmist yet, but I can help with design and in projecting config file if someone will decide to do it.
Ps.1.There's nothing to download-only screenshots
Ps.2. Sorry for my bad english




Changelog:

-added to wishlist on bugs.kde.org
(http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=78155)



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 Windoze Style

 
 by StormNET on: Mar 2 2004
 
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Hey
if it would be more win style, a lot more people would change to Linux, useing KDE

Most of my customers dont want to change, because it looks different.

It would be a great idea to make it with a standard win xp theme, so we win more users


greetings from germany
Ruben Storm


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 Re: Windoze Style

 
 by linuxdude on: Mar 9 2004
 
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Why on earth would we want more people to come to Linux just because it looks likek Winblows, and for one you are wrong. People want different not the same crap from Windows, alot of people find KDE alot better and refreshingly different(like me).

Its people like you we dont want and kde's own login style is important, the last thing we want it people like you forcing Windows look on kde users and Linux.


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 Re: Re: Windoze Styl

 
 by marekw77 on: Mar 10 2004
 
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Forget his Windows look, I don't think that was what he meant.

Other operating systems are allowing customization of the login process. Both MS and Apple (in OS X) allow the login to either display a list of users, or require the user to type username and password. Both allow the control of whether the computer can be switched off/rebooted from the login screen. OS X is smart enough to treat "Return" as a tab if the user does not enter a username/password, or otherwise submits the login.

These are good gui practices. Having both the username and password is also a good gui practice. I am for one for this modification.


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 Re: Re: Re: Windoze

 
 by linuxdude on: Mar 10 2004
 
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Whats your point, so does the KDM and the GDM, in fact both can be themed and customized to how you want them to look.

The people who think what KDM should look like have no idea how to make it look there own way, it's a case of not knowing the OS/environment they are in or ignorance.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Windoze

 
 by jhorey on: Mar 20 2004
 
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If you know of a way to make the current KDM look like the screenshots, please enlighten us all instead of hiding this precious knowledge. Do not criticize people of ignorance without offering a way to alleviate that ignorance.


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 Re: Re: Windoze Styl

 
 by phobie on: Mar 10 2004
 
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Sure noonw whats ms crap.
The guys from readmond can not programm the right way but is one thing they are good in and that is styling.
Noone should be forced to windows style on kde but it would be cool if there were complete themes for Win.NET WinXP and Win2k.
This would help many users to convert to GNU and when the are familar with it the will change the layout just like the would try on windows ;)

regards phob


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 Re: Re: Re: Windoze

 
 by linuxdude on: Mar 10 2004
 
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Well if you want kde or Gnome to look like WindowsXP you can, there are windowDecs and themes that will do that. I am against the idea that you should change kde for the sake of moving Windows users over, come to Linux if you want but dont EXPECT it to be like Winblows.

The fact is some people seem to be dug in there MS hole and expect everything else to work or look the same.


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 Re: Re: Windoze Styl

 
 by awtyler on: Mar 13 2004
 
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It's attitudes like that that keep people from using Linux and KDE. Many Linux users refuse to make things look or act like M$ products simply because they were made by M$. The truth of the matter is that M$ makes intuitive products. They are easy to learn and easy to use. Linux is not. I have tried to completely get rid of Windows, and I haven't been able to. It's not because I'm stupid and can't figure out how everything works, it's because I don't have 3 hours to spend every time I want to try something new. If Linux is going to become a prominent desktop, its users have to put aside their hate for M$ and recognize what strengths their products have. It all boils down to this: People know how to use Windows; People don't know how to use Linux. Windows is easy to learn; Linux is difficult to learn. Until Linux is easy to learn, the general public will stay with Windows.


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 Re: Re: Re: Windoze

 
 by linuxdude on: Mar 17 2004
 
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And it's ignorance like that we dont want, people like you need to get out of your Windows hole and learn something different, MS constsanly copy features from other OS's and Linux.

There is nothing inovative about clicking, except virus's in your emails, thats a really cool feature of Winblows. Linux suits everyone taste you can take feature or disable them, make it look how you want instead of being stuck with crap like windows way of working forever.

If people dont want to move to Linux because of learning more then they can stay in there Windows world. Linux is Linux and it's upto the decretion of the distro on how Windows like it is, not some brainwashed attitude expecting it to be like Windows.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Windoze

 
 by awtyler on: Mar 18 2004
 
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You're absolutely right: Linux *does* fit everyone's taste. If you don't want a feature, you can disable it. Believe it or not, Windows is the same way. Windows, however, makes it much easier to disable a feature. The average computer user does not want to have to edit a script or a .conf file to disable something they don't want. I realize that there are many Linux programs that have a GUI frontend that allows things to be configured, however, I'd like to see you describe how FSTAB works to someone that doesn't understand /dev/hda1.


M$ may copy features from other OS's, but doesn't Linux do the same thing? My point is that Linux cannot become a usable desktop for your average layperson the way it is. I don't necessarily think that it has to look and act exactly like Windows does, but it needs to be more intuitive. Windows has an intuitive design, regardless of where it came from. I can open any M$ product and figure out its basic features and configuration in minutes. On the other hand, I've spent hours trying to get my RH9 box to talk to other Windows and Linux computers on the network and still haven't gotten it to work completely. Perhaps I'm just ignorant.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by linuxdude on: Mar 20 2004
 
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You missing the point of Linux, it was never aimed that the thicko computer user like Windows is. Linux is not in the same market as Win and people come to Linux useally with experience, the editing part is there if you want it.

Linux is constanly being up and improved and your "average" person(including me, but been called a expert) didnot expect to do the things i'm doing now with Linux. I didnot like command lines and editing, over time you begin to realize how powerful that is, take a theme and edit it to how you like, wow now that you cannot do in windows. One thing that get me is how easy can it be to type the name of the program rather than go look for it in a huge friggin menu. Linux copy?, like what?, when XP was released the 10 things MS said was new Linux aleady had, now people are editing there XP boot screens and logins when Linux users have been doing it for years.

I dont know why people moan so much about how much harder Linux is but what do you expect for free, ok I paided for SuSE but it's much cheaper and stable than that bloated XP.


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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by mrtall on: Mar 21 2004
 
Score 50%

For someone who supposedly dislikes Microsoft, you inexplicably don't want them to have any competition. What you don't seem to realize is that by getting more "dumb" users into Linux, you will see a LOT more money and effort going into development for Linux. Making Linux more friendly to the average desktop user will only benefit the rest of us. No one's going to take away your nano. You can still do it however you want, but I see nothing wrong with putting simpler options out there if it'll bring more people into the Linux fold. It's people like you, who think Linux should remain some sort of elite OS, instead of one for the masses, that keep MS on top.



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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

 
 by alethia on: Mar 21 2004
 
Score 50%

"I'd like to see you describe how FSTAB works to someone that doesn't understand /dev/hda1."

How about WEBMIN? That's a really cool GUI frontend to do alot of tasks. Including mounts. One doesn't need to know more than the computer and share name. If they can't figure that one out, they shouldn't owna computer.
Maybe you need to learn some more?


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 KDM

 
 by elektroschock on: Mar 6 2004
 
Score 50%

KDE is for multiple users. This is a login screen for a single user interface, but then you don't need it at all.

The general design of KDM is right, it just needs Eyecandy an redesign.


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 GDM look better :-(

 
 by Fri13 on: Mar 7 2004
 
Score 50%

I sign this idea, and this look.

Only reason why i use KDM is i get "log out, reboot, shut down" in KDE and not in GDM (if i use GDM).


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 KDM gui

 
 by jhorey on: Mar 20 2004
 
Score 50%

Really one should be able to configure KDM to choose between the "classic" look and the new "GUI look" similiar to how GDM config currently does it. That way people that still want the old simple login screen won't complain, while others still get a pretty redesign.

Also instead of just a simple GUI redesign, it would be nice if one could embed various applets into the login screen (such as a date/time applet, weather applet, etc). Just a thought...


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 Re: KDM gui

 
 by boskicinek on: Mar 21 2004
 
Score 50%

old looking login manager can be made as theme for new KDM:-)


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 voting !

 
 by fab on: Mar 21 2004
 
Score 50%

http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37349

is the correct bugnumber to vote.


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 Change one thing

 
 by Praxxus on: Mar 21 2004
 
Score 50%

I like this design, and I like this idea. But one thing, please: The "Go!" button is, in my opinion, lame. Too big a step towards dumbing it waaaaaaay down. What is wrong with "Login?" Do we need to protect users from that scary computer term?

Sorry. Pet peeve. ;-)

Nice design, though.


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