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KDE 4 Will Be Breath Taking


By SeanParsons
Published: Apr 8 2005
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I recently interviewed Aaron Seigo on the latest episode of The Linux Box Show. We discussed Appeal and the plans for making KDE 4 the leader for usability, development and cool eye candy. Specific topics he covers include KControl, package management, KOffice and using high level programming languages. Start 5 minutes in for a brief history of KDE and 10 minutes in for the interview, or read the transcript.



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 by p0z3r on: Apr 8 2005
 
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Read most of the transcript and it was pretty informative!


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 Great show!

 
 by gg3po on: Apr 9 2005
 
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I've been listening to your show from the beginning, and subscribe to your podcast. Very good interview. You have a professional style. I can't wait to see the improvements in 4.0 that were discussed!


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 Re: Great show!

 
 by gg3po on: Apr 9 2005
 
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Sorry for replying to my own post, but afterward I thought of more to say :-). Appeal sounds really interesting. Is there an official webiste up for it? I couldn't find a link in the transcript or on your website (maybe I didn't look very hard, though). It was mentioned in the interview that artists are among those they will eventually be recruiting (although it was said they aren't currently looking for people to join). In what capacity do they need artists? I'm sure there would be many willing hands available from kde-look. Anyway, thanks for your time, and keep up the good work!


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 by sparxxxie on: Apr 9 2005
 
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i agree as well. there are many contributing artists here of all different calibers. i do some design work myself and i'm sure many others would be more than happy to contribute, exchange ideas, etc. On a professional level, you have your very talented coders that create all this great software, and i'm not hacking any coder by saying this, but a great coder doesn't always mean they are as artistic as others in certain areas. photography, painting, sound, design, writers, film, ui experts. there's so many areas you can't be an expert in everything.

i use linux. i do networking. i do some art stuff too. but as far as coding, i am nothing but a small script kiddie who tinkers here and there and might be able to code his way out of a webpage or a perl script, but that is it.


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 Appeal

 
 by SeanParsons on: Apr 10 2005
 
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Currently Appeal does not have a site of their own as they view themselves as part of KDE. The Dot first posted about Appeal here:

http://dot.kde.org/1112736422/

I'll ask Aaron to keep me updated in case they choose to set up a seperate website and offer an open invitation to artisits.

Considering all the great artists here at Looky, I'ld like to suggest finding a specific KDE application you'ld like to beautify and contacting the developers with your wish to participate.

On a related note, I'll ask Aaron for any early notes he has on KDE's future HIG, that way we can develop are UI's in a consistent manner.


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 Re: Appeal

 
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I requested some information from Aaron, and he sent me a nice response. His comments will be marked in bold:

a lot of the artist over at KDE-Look have been asking to participate and for more information on Appeal.

yes, i'm really happy with the amount of interest this has been generating in
the community ...


Currently Appeal does not have a site of their own as they view themselves as part of KDE.

we actually will have a website in the coming weeks.

I'll ask Aaron to keep me updated in case they choose to set up a seperate website and offer an open invitation to artisits.

we'll probably do things like help coordinate icon marathons and what not and do commissioned works, but the number of artists coordinating things within Appeal will likely remain small. too many cooks, and all that =)

Considering all the great artists here at Looky, I'ld like to suggest finding a specific KDE application you'ld like to beautify and contacting the developers with your wish to participate.

exactly =)

and there is no reason why they can't do this work in the style and manner
that we will be outlining in the Appeal project. Appeal is as meant to be an
example as much as it is a project on its own.


If you do have any early notes on KDE's Human Interface Guidelines, I would like to post them for KDE-Look and TLB while everyone's interest is piqued.

when we have our website up, more done on he HIG and a few other things
underway i'll keep you informed...

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 by elektroschock on: Apr 10 2005
 
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Perhaps a kind of developer's "icon vacancy" submission to a special adresss and a website for those "open jobs" would be helpful.

The main problem is always unneccary communication overload. Developers asks for a icon, the website publishes their requests, artists contribute and the website project cares that their Icons will get merged, so artist do not have to deal with development interna or discuss how to apply artwork with developers of the project. I mean an intermediary function.


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 by aseigo on: Apr 11 2005
 
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just to clarify a bit:

our efforts are focused within Appeal ... while our work is applied to KDE, Appeal is not aiming to coordinate things across KDE; that's an impossible task and one that is totally out of scope for Appeal. things like the artist's web site will continue to do pan-KDE coordination..

rather, Appeal is something of a showcase for a method of development that involves combining artists, usability people and developers working on specific projects in a coordinated way. hopefully others will follow suit around KDE. =)

people working within Appeal will continue to work with others in the larger KDE project as well, and there will certainly be some coordination with other artists than the 3 or so that are part of Appeal right now.

anyways, just wanted to make that clear =)


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 KControl & Konqueror

 
 by Shadowman on: Apr 11 2005
 
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I don't really find anything wrong with KControl. I think it is perfect and souldn't be touched. There is also an easy way to improve Konqueror. Konqueror has only one flaw. There needs to be a complete separation between the browser and the file manager. As a file manager it is more than perfect right now. That, however, interferes with the Konqueror browser.


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 Improve Konqueror

 
 by Shadowman on: Apr 11 2005
 
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Here are some suggestions of how to improve Konqueror. It definitely shouldn't ask the user whether he want an image opened in KView. It should display the image in the browser. This probably comes from the close coupling between the browser and the file manager. In the file manager, I would want it to open in an external viewer, but not in a browser. For a long time one could not download a *tar.gz file using Konqueror if it was returned by a PHP script, like on kde-look.org. Konqueror would imediately open it itself, without giving you a chance to save it. Right-clicking wouldn't help. Luckily, that has been fixed. Now, I add the "Open Terminal" button to the main toolbar. It is extremely useful in the file manager. But, there is no use for it in a browser. There is no way to avoid having it in the browser too. One of the most important things for a browser is the viewing area. Here is what my Konqueror looks like.

http://www.algoritam.net/public/konqueror1.png

Nice. But, why shouldn't I be able to move the all the stuff from the location toolbar to the main toolbar, fill that empty space and increase the viewing area, or move the whole location toolbar to the right of the main toolbar? Opera and Firefox do that well:

http://www.algoritam.net/public/opera1.png
http://www.algoritam.net/public/firefox1.png

Note that Firefox and Konqueror here look almost the same, except for the unnecessary extra space taken up in Konqueror. I could all of it to the main toolbar except the search.

So, not much is needed to make Konqueror better than Firefox and Opera. It's just little things that make sense.


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 Re: Improve Konqueror

 
 by nuka on: Apr 11 2005
 
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This is my konqueror right now in 3.4. the search box on the right is actually the filter, not the google search.

http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7123/snapshot150pv.png


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 by nuka on: Apr 11 2005
 
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This is my konqueror right now in 3.4. the search box on the right is actually the filter, not the google search.

http://img128.echo.cx/img128/7123/snapshot150pv.png


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 Re: Improve Konquero

 
 by bobyjoe on: May 24 2005
 
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I know why you failed.

And I know I can..

here is it after 30 seconds of "configure".

http://bobyaw.free.fr/Konqueror-web3-top.png

How you can do it :

1) Go to "Configuration"

2) Toolbar's config (in the bottom of the menu)
http://bobyaw.free.fr/Konqueror-web6-menu.png
3) Check all toolbars config in the Toolbar's list
http://bobyaw.free.fr/Konqueror-web5-toolbarconfig.png

And I know you can do it!
I don't remember what's the prob to, but here what I did:

1) made a backup of the "Web navigation" profil's (main configuration's menu -> save the profil -> do it with a new name like "navigation profil backup")
2) deleted all the icons and separators that's not usefull in the toolbar's configuration
3) close the toolbar config tools, and move the URL toolbar where you want it.
4) now don't forget to save it to the default navigation profil ("Web navigation" like in 1), unless you have to save it over the default one, and not the backup one.)
AND !
WARNING: check the "Save the size of the window in the profil" box!! That's usefull, cause I think there is a bug there.. if I don't do it, the URL toolbar moves itself down the principal toolbar)


ps: That's a cool idea to put it like this. Thank's for the idea. And I'm sure you will do it!


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