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Linus recommends KDE

Linus recommends KDE


By Yaba
Published: Dec 14 2005
Linus expressed his toughts about KDE and Gnome in a short posting on the Gnome usability mailing list.

I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE.

This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality" mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do.

Please, just tell people to use KDE.

Linus



Please see the his posting for the complete message in its context.


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 now i see

 
 by Ricardo on: Dec 14 2005
 
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Now i see, why americans use gnome :)
(If you see pool kde-look.org/poll/index.php?poll=154 you will see a small percent of americans.)
Just joking, don't be angry.


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 Re: now i see

 
 by angrykeyboarder on: Dec 14 2005
 
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But then why do Europeans use GNOME? ;-)


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 Re: Re: now i see

 
 by Fanaz on: Dec 14 2005
 
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[Sorry 4 my english]

I have more than 20 friends using Linux. Only one uses Gnome, all others use KDE (;

//Lithuania


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 Re: Re: Re: now i se

 
 by Ricardo on: Dec 18 2005
 
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Funny ... i have only two friends using gnu/linux. One uses debian with kde, and second is jumping freak (uses everything what is able to run on x86 computer, i mean windblows too)


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 Linus is right

 
 by blaster999 on: Dec 14 2005
 
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I mean, Gnome isn't bad. I'd be using it if it wasn't oversimplified. By makiing Gnome too simple to use, they offend geeks (which are a amjority of UNIX users now). Moreover, by trying to increase the usability, Gnome devs really decrease it. I (and many other people) like to tweak settings. In those days long ago when I was using window$, I had to use programs like ResHacker to tweak programs (string resources, dialog layouts, bitmaps, etc embedded into PE binaries). In KDE almost every app allows to configure it the way I like it.


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 Re: Linus is right

 
 by blaster999 on: Dec 16 2005
 
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Well, I just saw how many typos I made in that small post.


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 ...

 
 by maitre on: Dec 14 2005
 
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There's nothing really wrong with simplification and gearing things towards usability.

But like blaster said, it really does not lend itself well to the geeks, and I'm pretty sure Linus is considered a geek. I doubt I'll ever use it. What kind of desktop environment does not let you remember window positions?


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 Re: ...

 
 by maitre on: Dec 14 2005
 
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Oh, and I hear Linus uses Tiblit too. ;)


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 stoke the fires

 
 by dadeisvenm on: Dec 15 2005
 
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Hopefully this would be a reason for the Gnome people to be a more usable desktop. Linus touched on a few points that should really make Gnome developers rework Gnome maybe even cause the project to split; one side to continue the project for business desktops and the other for general users. I used to use Gnome in my Mandrake days but ever since SuSE 7.2 KDE has been my default. If I'm not mistaken at some point changing the theme was an easy right click away in Gnome but the option changed after a few versions.


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 Usability

 
 by Brandybuck on: Dec 15 2005
 
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Usability is a combination of several factors. One problem GNOME (and lot of other people) makes is thinking usability is only about simplicity. "Simple" is a synonym for "stupid". The simplest interface is the one with no functionality. What we need instead is a balance between simplicity and functionality.

Other elements of usability include efficiency (fitt's law), familiarity (is it similar to what you already know), directability (can you make it do what you want it to do), and aesthetics (readability, proper contrasts, not ugly, etc).

Many of these things developer CAN DO if they take the time to think about them and do them right. The GNOME idea that the developer is hopelessly inept when it comes to interfaces is a lie. The developer does need help, to be sure, but to give full control of the interface over to bureaucratic rules quoters like GNOME has done is not the solution.


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 kde is purdy :)

 
 by Hintzy on: Dec 16 2005
 
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On the day I installed my first linux distro (Mandrake 10.0), I was presented with a choice between KDE and GNOME, and each had a screenshot. The KDE screenshot just looked cleaner and more appealing to me, so that's what I picked. Since then, I've learned more about both environments, and I still think I made the right choice! :-p

Sidenote: I even use Opie (Qtopia) on my iPAQ instead of GPE (GTK)!


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 Re: kde is purdy :)

 
 by pgk on: Dec 17 2005
 
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Personally, I like how Gnome looks much better than KDE does [ducks]

But why I switched to KDE is that in Gnome, to do more than very simple configuration changes (like change Samba permissions from user to share), you must hack the config files. KDE does not make you do that and it is kind of nice to have the option to use the GUI to configure things.

Also, some of the KDE apps (Konqueror, k3b, kpowersave) are far better than their Gnome equivalents and I've learned it is best to try to use the "native" apps in any DE.


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 Re: kde is purdy :)

 
 by Ricardo on: Dec 18 2005
 
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You make me feeel nostalgic. My frist distro was Mandrake 9.something and it gave me kde by default. Somehow, later, i got to GNOME, and i was just disgusted.
I was using GNOME for totaly few hours, and i must say, for me it was bigger pleasure to use fluxbox before few months, even it was 0.something version.


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 Re: Re: kde is purdy :)

 
 by maitre on: Dec 20 2005
 
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Nostalgic? Red Hat 4.2!


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