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Where is MS Windows better than KDE/Linux?


Posted by Yaba on Jan 18 2004
Look and Feel5%5%5% 5%
Customizability/Flexibility3%3%3% 3%
Ease of use13%13%13% 13%
Features1%1%1% 1%
Hardware Support30%30%30% 30%
Available Applications26%26%26% 26%
cost/benefit ratio1%1%1% 1%
Security1%1%1% 1%
Easy development of apps3%3%3% 3%
Support by other users/companies17%17%17% 17%
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 "Other" option

 
 by Yaba on: Jan 18 2004
 
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"Hey, you dork forgot to add the 'other' option."

Sorry, I didn't forget it. It's just because the system only allows 10 possible answers. So if you would vote 'other', either leave it or post a comment.


...my wife complained that I do not pay attention...or something like that...
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 Easy dev of apps

 
 by rgfree on: Jan 18 2004
 
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I voted for "easy development of apps"
because I'm still missing a
FreePascal-QT/KDE-binding.
If you ever got really used to a
Pascal compiler you never want
to go back again to this confusing
mixture of header and main files,
makefiles and worst of all: endless
compile times. In Pascal you click
on compile and it's ready. Sorry folks
I know that C++ is far more geeky
(AKA cool) but Pascal is the way to
go if you want to develop apps really
quick without being a "guru".
I don't like Python either because
you can't compile it.
So I'm still waiting until a decent
programming environment for KDE
emerges. C++ with QT libs and
KDevelop is certainly nice but
the compile times are unacceptable.


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 Re: Easy dev of apps

 
 by linuxpoweredtrekkie on: Jan 18 2004
 
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hear hear.

Especially now it looks like borland are dropping kylix.


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 Re: Easy dev of apps

 
 by elektroschock on: Jan 18 2004
 
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hbasic?

http://hbasic.sf.net


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 Re: Re: Easy dev of apps

 
 by L0rclA5CII on: Jan 18 2004
 
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Although you can't compile the code, I prefer StarBASIC. The language seems more modern, and the environment is much more stable. Last time I tried HBasic, the program would crash when I did just about anything. So although it's really more of an alternative to VBA (versus full-blown VB), I'd really suggest SB. After all, if you really want to make something that runs in system space rather than OOo, why not just do it in bash/perl with a kdialog front-end?


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 Re: Re: Easy dev of apps

 
 by rgfree on: Jan 19 2004
 
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HBasic is certainly a good
app for novice programmers but
it doesn't really fill the
gap of a missing Pascal language
nor does C++ because Pascal is cool
because of:
- integrated assembler
- advanced OOP support
reflected in human-readable keywords
like "property", "override",
"constructor" etc
not in some cryptic syntax
- otherwise quite readable syntax
in contrast to C/C++
- more complex types like sets,
records, etc (in contrast to Basic)
- pointer operations, callback functions etc (in contrast to Basic)
and so on
Perhaps some of these things can work
in Basic dialects too. It's not my
intention at all to say Basic is a
generally a bad idea but it's got a
different target audience.
Pascal OTOH can do everything
C++ can do but it compiles much faster
and is easier to learn and even
more important easier to read.


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 Re: Re: Re: Easy dev

 
 by WinterWolf on: Jan 19 2004
 
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Did you try Gambas?


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 Re: Re: Easy dev of

 
 by WinterWolf on: Jan 19 2004
 
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Have you tried http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/


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 Re: Re: Re: Easy dev of

 
 by rgfree on: Jan 19 2004
 
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Lazarus would be cool if it
supported KDE and not
only lame GNOME.


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 What about Lazarus?

 
 by djworld on: Jan 21 2004
 
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What about Lazarus? It's a complete Pascal IDE. I'm not sure if it uses QT or GTK, but anyway it's free and for Linux.

http://www.lazarus.freepascal.org/

Take a look at the screenshots. It looks very complete and professional.


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 win vs. KDE

 
 by elektroschock on: Jan 18 2004
 
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KDE: I think the mounting of floppy discs is very confusing. I would prefer to unmount automatically when I change the floppy disc.

Playing CDs from you CDROm device is painful.

USB sticks are detected but given cryptical names.

I would like to access my Linux partitions with Windows? howtodoit?


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 Re: win vs. KDE

 
 by L0rclA5CII on: Jan 18 2004
 
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By default, Mandrake uses a "supermount" option that would do what you're talking about. It automatically mounts a drive when you enter the directory, and unmounts when you eject (with floppies I'm pretty sure it unmounts when you change back to the dir and it sees that it's a new floppy).

Why is playing CDs painful? I find the process no more harder than playing in Win. Plus, I've never seen a simpler way to encode Oggs from CD tracks than through Konqueror. You just drag and drop from the "audiocd:" protocol.

I don't work much with USB. Last time I did was for a Creative MP3 Player, and I did have to download special software to work with it. The software was like using FTP on the command-line, so probably not the easiest thing in the world for a n00b. I've heard a lot of people complain about USB support here and there though. I'm sure this is also a very active development area for kernel hackers, so we should see better support in the future :-).

Your last problem sounds like a Windows one to me. You do realize you can mount vfat partitions in Linux though right? Then you can share your data back and forth very simply. If you still want to mount ext, reiserfs, etc. in Win, maybe you should bug Microsoft; I'm sure they'd see the benefit of more interoperability with other operating systems ;-). Seriously though, you might look into something in Cygwin, or something else (google is your friend).


"I plan to give all the children of the world aids." - Jared Fogle
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 Re: win vs. KDE

 
 by cloose on: Jan 19 2004
 
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To access Linux partions under windows you might want to take a look at explore2fs (also I don't know if somebody is still working on it):

http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/explore2fs.htm


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 Re: win vs. KDE

 
 by catang on: Jan 19 2004
 
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You can do this with Partition Magic 8.0. With this tool it's actually possible to copy files from your linux-partition(s) onto your windows partition(s).
These will NOT work however:
-You have an partition that is reiserFS
-Your version of partition magic is older than version 8

You will get a familiar "explorer"-like interface too :)


C:A
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 Re: win vs. KDE

 
 by pythagoras on: Jan 20 2004
 
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Since Windows is specifically designed for idiots and plug and players, one would assume ease of use would be its' strength. I did forget about all the financial incentives offered by MS to hardware mfg's to be "compatible" with it; therefore hdw support is a good choice, too, but is simply a function of the capitalist economics we all contend with....and not KDE's fault.
-mikey-


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 Win vs Lin

 
 by sarath on: Jan 18 2004
 
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Well a lot had been said on this, but my vote remains for windoze's more hardware support. A lot of examples lie in this favor, and i will make my point a lot clear by stating my situation. Though presently i have no M$ O.S. on my comp, my sound card(cmi9738) has no alsa driver, which means no kernel 2.6 for me, and my graphics card (prosavage ddr) has no agp support (btw, i use the dri cvs which does have the agp, but its far from bug free and stable). The reason why i use gnu/linux is cos of the philosophy behind GPL. Though i will not not trade gnu/linux for windoze, one of my wishlists is that one day will come when hardware compatibility lists for gnu/linux is on par with the other o.s.


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 Re: Win vs Lin

 
 by Yaba on: Jan 18 2004
 
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Well, regarding older Hardware the opposite is true. I have a network card that is no longer supported since Windows 98, a WebCam that is no longer supported since also Windows 98 and a SCSI Card that is longer supported since Windows 2000.

Well, all the mentioned Hardware (but the WebCam) runs perfectly on a current Distro.

But I admitt, it's more the latest Hardware that counts.


...my wife complained that I do not pay attention...or something like that...
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 Re: Win vs Lin

 
 by ealm on: Jan 19 2004
 
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there's OSS in 2.6 too you know...


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 Nowhere

 
 by stampede2 on: Jan 19 2004
 
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I missed a "nowhere" option...


Henrique Pinto
stampede at coltec dot ufmg dot br

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 Hardware Support

 
 by kwr2k on: Jan 19 2004
 
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I disagree with this. Time and again I have found linux users abusing this term. What we are really meaning is less vendors are supporting linux with drivers than they do to windows... linux hardware detection is any day better than windows ... i cannot count how many times i have found myself staring at a 16 color VGA screen in windows when I have a 16MB video card installed .... also, the manner in which the hardware is detected *should8 be taken into account ... rebooting 10 times for 10 pieces of hardware is ridiculous!! I think we take a very narrow view of hardware support and detection!!


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 Re: Hardware Support

 
 by sarath on: Jan 19 2004
 
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Having to initially stare at a 16 color display in windows is a lot different from not having hardware support. Whenever most companies releases a new piece of hardware, the windows drivers are released along with it. Linux gets only an after thought and that too even from penguin friendly companies. Then again many companies release binary only drivers, which generally have a poor support (eg. the new nvidia drivers) with wierd licenses that distros cannot include. All in all a lot needs to be changed and mostly it has to come from the hardware manufactures like releasing specs and providing help to free software developers making the drivers.


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 Re: Re: Hardware Sup

 
 by gvs on: Jan 21 2004
 
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The point I tried to make is that Windows does not have many drivers, they are delivered with your hardware for your current windows version.

If the manufacturer decides to drop support for newer Windows versions, you can throw out the hardware.

If companies would stop writing windows drivers, you would be staring at your 640*480 16 color screen.

Today, they do write windows drivers, I know that, but that can change very quickly if the market turns to another OS.


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